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Offline UsagiTsukino

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Jew Faith
« on: June 08, 2012, 10:41:14 AM »
From what I understand unlike Muslim . Jewish People Don't denied or accept Jesus because they are waiting for the second coming. Many people think Jewish people are going to hel but they don't denied Jesus. But how did Jewish people viewed Jesus I think they do believe he is the son of god.  The reason is because of  there is lots of haters of Jewish people. For all people who don't honk Jewish people go to heaven here is a YouTube video of a man who died and went to heaven and was Jewish.

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 11:00:59 AM »
Some Jews believe in Jesus, they are often called Messianic Jews, but there are some in other faith traditions.  And many Jews do not believe, the most common belief is that Jesus was a sorcerer.  All Jews are looking for Messiah to come.  Messianics believe it is the second coming, non-Messianics the first coming.
My translation of Eph 5:21-22 ... mutually submitting in the fear of Messiah; wives (mutually submitting) to your husbands as to the Lord.

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 12:57:37 PM »
A sorcerer? Really?

Most of the Jewish people I know believe Jesus was a first century traveling Jewish teacher whom a few first century Jewish people and a lot of Gentiles believed to be the Messiah. They believe He lived and was crucified but don't believe He was the Messiah or that He rose from the dead.

Of course, I also know quite a few Messianic Jews who believe He is the Messiah.

On an aside, the term is usually "Jewish" or "Judaic."
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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 01:40:35 PM »
A sorcerer? Really?

Most of the Jewish people I know believe Jesus was a first century traveling Jewish teacher whom a few first century Jewish people and a lot of Gentiles believed to be the Messiah. They believe He lived and was crucified but don't believe He was the Messiah or that He rose from the dead.

Of course, I also know quite a few Messianic Jews who believe He is the Messiah.

Well, more like a magician - you know, he used to pull rabbits out of hats and do card tricks, that sort of thing. And one day he actually made the whole Temple disappear.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Magician-Charlatan-Son-God/dp/1569751552

ταλαίπωρος ἐγὼ ἄνθρωπος: τίς με ῥύσεται ἐκ τοῦ σώματος τοῦ θανάτου τούτου; χάρις δὲ τῷ θεῷ διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν.

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 08:11:14 PM »
I think they do believe he is the son of god. 

As Don said, Messianic Jews believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God.   (Although "Son of God" had other meanings in NT times than the one that most Christians assume.)

But most other Jews just believe that Jesus was a rabbi and healer (magician).
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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2012, 03:12:58 AM »
P.S. I used the word sorcerer because Jews today distinguish between magic, which includes tricks and stage magic, and sorcery, which is actual supernatural powers based on demons; it was also thought to be the case back when Jesus was around.  That is, they had illusionists who pretended to do things and were entertainment, but also the real deal which was not to be tolerated in the Holy Land.
My translation of Eph 5:21-22 ... mutually submitting in the fear of Messiah; wives (mutually submitting) to your husbands as to the Lord.

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2012, 02:09:27 PM »
So why do people think jewish people are going to hell? Are their. I thought since paul said if you are christan then don't follow old testment which many christan do like the 10 commandants. If we follow the ten commandant we have to follow all the law in OT. I just though as long as jewish people  long the OT law

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2012, 02:21:17 PM »
In reality, we should be following the moral principles of the Law, because God has and is now writing them on our hearts.

Anyone who does not accept or believe that Christ is the promised Messiah will NOT be save, no matter if they are Jewish or not.  The way to salvation is Christ, not the Law.
"Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts his behavior deliberately." Ludwig von Mises

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2012, 04:59:50 AM »
So why do people think jewish people are going to hell? Are their. I thought since paul said if you are christan then don't follow old testment which many christan do like the 10 commandants. If we follow the ten commandant we have to follow all the law in OT. I just though as long as jewish people  long the OT law

Perhaps reading Romans 11 will help.

Here are some excerpts:
Did God reject his people [the Jews]? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.

Again I ask: Did they [the Jews] stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.

For if their [the Jews'] rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel [the Jews] will be saved.

...but as far as election is concerned, they [the Jews] are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2012, 05:57:49 AM »
perhaps that should be clarified some.  Those Jews who do not honor God, who do not choose to live by the moral codes given to them, will they be saved?  Those Jews who reject Christ as the promised Messiah, will they be saved?  Is it enough that God chose them as a people to do a work, for them to be exempted from the spiritual qualifications of salvation?

What actually, does it mean that "Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel [the Jews] will be saved."
"Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts his behavior deliberately." Ludwig von Mises

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2012, 08:16:03 AM »
Part of what is going on is that many Jews thought and taught that just because they were Jews, God promised them a place in the "age to come".  Jesus denied this was true.

The basic answer is that we do not know about others, .but we know God is a righteous and merciful judge.  For oneself, one is sealed by the Spirit and so can have assurance for oneself, as long as one does not choose to walk away.

Walter Kaiser points out that the ONLY way to be declared righteous in the Bible is by believing the promises of God as they have been revealed to you.  Of course, the major promise in which all the previous promises are fulfilled (fullest flowering) is Jesus is Messiah, Savior and Lord.
My translation of Eph 5:21-22 ... mutually submitting in the fear of Messiah; wives (mutually submitting) to your husbands as to the Lord.

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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2012, 03:34:54 PM »
I guess I quoted those scriptures from Romans, because I have a problem with the sweeping, and incorrect, statement that Jews are not saved.

I believe that God's grace is somehow focussed on the Gentiles at the moment but there will come a time when God will again reach out to the Jews and many will be saved.

Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me." 
No one, Jew or Gentile, who does not know and follow Jesus Messiah will be able to come to the Father, i.e. be saved. 
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Re: Jew Faith
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2012, 04:41:16 PM »
ah, yes.  I completely agree.  And am also tired of hearing some say that Jews are not saved.   :hug:
"Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts his behavior deliberately." Ludwig von Mises

 


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