Author Topic: women didn't lead in the Bible (Read 322 times)

princesaelenaorgana · « **on:** June 02, 2012, 05:28:21 AM »

I was googling to try to see how many women have led Israel for a report I'm doing, and I came upon a Bible site that said women in the Bible had positions of influence but not leadership and also said Deborah was a judge but it wasn't really a position of leadership and that Barak was really the one in charge. Any biblical basis for this?

princesaelenaorgana · « **Reply #1 on:** June 02, 2012, 05:30:10 AM »

here is the site

gotquestions.org

TL · « **Reply #2 on:** June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM »

they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers.
Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt,
I redeemed you from the house of bondage;
And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak.

The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture.

Don · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2012, 06:33:59 AM »

Deborah is an "anomaly" to the idea that women are not leaders, because she was a judge-prophet like Moses and Samuel were. So the non-egals try to explain her away as best they can, just ignore that propaganda.

princesaelenaorgana · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »

Quote from: TL on June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM

they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers.
Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt,
I redeemed you from the house of bondage;
And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak.

The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture.

what's an exegete?

TL · « **Reply #5 on:** June 02, 2012, 01:28:41 PM »

It is a person who properly exegetes Scripture, interprets Scripture, from within Scripture including grammar, word meanings, context and historical implications. The opposite is to eisigesis, to be one who adds into Scripture what is not inherently found there (coming to the Scripture with a agenda to support).

you can find out some at dictionary.com.

princesaelenaorgana · « **Reply #6 on:** December 03, 2012, 03:34:20 PM »

Quote from: TL on June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM

they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers.
Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt,
I redeemed you from the house of bondage;
And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak.

The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture.

BUMP. Sorry to make this personal, but when I read their site, they had a lot of things about Hell that scared me and made me believe I am going there. They said more people go to Hell than Heaven and I am terrified of Hell. I wonder if I am not saved.

TL · « **Reply #7 on:** December 03, 2012, 05:55:57 PM »

You can repost that on the Becoming a Christian Board. We can discuss it without disrupting this thread.

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Logged princesaelenaorgana Guest Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 05:30:10 AM » here is the site gotquestions.org Logged TL Administrator Senior Member Posts: 7832 Christ in me! Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM » they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers. Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak. The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture. Logged "Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts his behavior deliberately." Ludwig von Mises Don Overseers Senior Member Posts: 7382 Christ is LORD! Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 06:33:59 AM » Deborah is an "anomaly" to the idea that women are not leaders, because she was a judge-prophet like Moses and Samuel were. So the non-egals try to explain her away as best they can, just ignore that propaganda. Logged My translation of Eph 5:21-22 ... mutually submitting in the fear of Messiah; wives (mutually submitting) to your husbands as to the Lord. princesaelenaorgana Guest Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 12:11:42 PM » Quote from: TL on June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers. Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak. The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture. what's an exegete? Logged TL Administrator Senior Member Posts: 7832 Christ in me! Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 01:28:41 PM » It is a person who properly exegetes Scripture, interprets Scripture, from within Scripture including grammar, word meanings, context and historical implications. The opposite is to eisigesis, to be one who adds into Scripture what is not inherently found there (coming to the Scripture with a agenda to support). you can find out some at dictionary.com. Logged "Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he adjusts his behavior deliberately." Ludwig von Mises princesaelenaorgana Guest Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 03:34:20 PM » Quote from: TL on June 02, 2012, 06:06:45 AM they are incorrect. There is a lot that can be said for the contributions of Miriam. It is a certainty that she led the nation along with her brothers. Micah 6:4 For I brought you up from the land of Egypt, I redeemed you from the house of bondage; And I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. Deborah was not just a judge, but The Judge of the nation. She was also The Prophet of the nation. As such she sent for Barak to tell him what God had been telling him to do, and that he needed to obey God. Because she was the chosen Judge of the nation, God's favor was upon her to protect her, and this is why Barak asked that she go with him into the battle. Barak was afraid (with good reason as the enemy was mighty) and that is why he was praised for mustering up faith. It was Deborah that judged the nation for 40 years not Barak. The people at Got Questions are not good exegetes of Scripture. BUMP. Sorry to make this personal, but when I read their site, they had a lot of things about Hell that scared me and made me believe I am going there. They said more people go to Hell than Heaven and I am terrified of Hell. I wonder if I am not saved. Logged TL Administrator Senior Member Posts: 7832 Christ in me! Re: women didn't lead in the Bible « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 05:55:57 PM » You can repost that on the Becoming a Christian Board. We can discuss it without disrupting this thread. Logged "Man is a being capable of subduing his emotions and impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts. 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