[HisBlood2012]

"Comp" is just a shorten form of the word complementarian, which stands for those who believe women are equal but have been given different roles as mandated by God, a wife's submission to husband, husband's headship, etc, etc.

Yes, and we also use terms like very soft comp, soft comp, moderate comp, and hard comp here.  Very soft comps, for instance, may believe that women can be in some positions of general church leadership (very rarely they may even believe that she can be a senior pastor as long as she proves she defers to her husband in the home, comes across as very feminine, and has a network of male pastors whom she looks up to), and hard comps are outright patriarchalists who drive hard lines on any point related to gender interactions.

Okay, I think of that as one way submission I guess. I do recall lots of discussions where the idea of men and women having complementary traits were discussed. This was usually a way of saying that women had certain traits that good, and men had different traits that were good. Iow, men could not be expected to be gentle, patient, because that went against manliness. Men were supposed to turn tables. I wondered how this worked 24/7. I mean, how many instances will you be in, where you need to do this? As far as I knw, Jesus only did it once, and it was in a very unique circumstance. What also disturbed me about this idea is that it owuld seem that the fruit of the Spirit, would be found in only women, if what they were saying was right. But that clearly doesn't make sense because Jesus Himself was male, and He surely exhibited all of the manifestations of the fruit of the Spirit.

Yes.  It is one way submission.  There is a Christian sociologist who presents a list of adjectives to her classes each year and asks students to mark them as male, female, or neutral.  Hidden in the list are the fruits of the spirit turned into adjectives.  The result?  They are marked as female by the men and sometimes as neutral by the women (but usually as female) but never male.  Things that make you go "hmm."

I have thought a lot about that! The idea of gender differences, that go beyond physical ones, are the root cause of many injustices. The very idea that we don't expect fruit of the Spirit behavior from men, allows them to be held to a lower standard of godly behavior.

On the other hand, women are expected to naturally have these godly tendencies, so when a woman doesn't live up to them, she is scorned more severely.

[HisBlood2012]

I'll have to do the research again..I dont think there is a correlation betwee porn and rape in GENERAL like a man who has not a bone in his body that would ever lead to that can watch porn all day long and not have any desires to rape a woman..BUT a guy that already has a certain "attitude' towards women that has control issues or a sense of entitlement to a womans body who hasnt raped..can be "triggered" or lets say driven over that edge to ...IOW I dont think thats its 'porn creates a rapist"..its that someone with an already exiting hatred of women porn can be an additoinal drivign force...Also a man who has a "rapist attitude' is more than likely definately going to use porn..

This makes sense..becaseu otherwise its like saying that if I watched say ...videos of animal abuse..( have NO desire to hurt animals Im even a recent convert to a variation of vegetarianism "pescatarian") that if I watch enough animal abuse viideos I will be desensitized and then develop a "desire" to abuse animals..I hardly think so..

HAVING siad that..I dont know adn I doubt that applies to children or very young and imprssionble people under a certian age ..Im sure beign exposed to porn coudl help FORM that core disrespect and desire to exert power over a female later in life..a.k.a rape..but that goes for many other vile exposure to the objectification or mistreatment of women..we already know that many male children of fathers who beat their mothers are at high risk to grow up and do the same thing..beat their wives..same with child abuse..drug abuse etc...

Dallas

While I certainly agree that not every man who watches porn will become a rapist, I also have to say that porn does alter a man's view of women. To the degree that it does, may well be dependent on the man himself, and possibly his other environmental inputs, etc. Let's just say that it is never not harmful to some degree.

Its more like not EVEN CLOSE to every man who watches porn will become a rapist or even close to a rapist..The propensity to rape is not somewhere lurking in every man..Thank God..in fact MOST men despise rape as much as any woman.Including men dont want to be raped themselves by another man I know that..I have heard unfortunately the abusrd statement by some men however that they would "love it' if their wife raped them  ..That its never 'not harmful "(porn) to some degree I tend to agree..but I think thats even debateable as far as it being a fact thats been proven...If you are talking about in any amount under any circumstances I dont think that CAN be proven..

Dallas

As many have said, porn does desensitize people who watch it, to violence. In fact, that IS why groomers use it to groom their victims into prostitution. There are a lot of studies out there that do confirm this. I will try to look them up later. It's not about what is already in people, but how people can be brainwashed if you will.

[Deborah]

The very idea that we don't expect fruit of the Spirit behavior from men, allows them to be held to a lower standard of godly behavior.

On the other hand, women are expected to naturally have these godly tendencies, so when a woman doesn't live up to them, she is scorned more severely.

Yes.

[dallasapple]

QUOTE:As many have said, porn does desensitize people who watch it, to violence. In fact, that IS why groomers use it to groom their victims into prostitution. There are a lot of studies out there that do confirm this. I will try to look them up later. It's not about what is already in people, but how people can be brainwashed if you will. END QUOTE

I understand and dont get me wron I am not denying the destruction that porn causes..and as to the "grooming'..that is a again very young what 9 10 11 12 13 yo old girls?Moslty extranged from their family and with OTHER girls that have been around longer helping lure her in more..the pimp romancing her and making her believe hes her boyfriend and that they are dating and eventually he starts raping her and beating her/Yes Im familiar with that..that forcing them or 'intorducign them' to watchign all kinds of grotesque and hardcore porn in able to get the final product of a young 13 14 year old expert prostitute is PART of that grooming..But again thats an OBVIOUS one and its yes sickening..My point I was making was specifically adressign the affect on on the "end user" your average guy sitting their viewing the final product..to what EXTENT it always had a negative affect and under what enviroments its debateable or that it ALWAYS does under any circumstances and no matter what type of porn and how mnay times a person views it is also "debateable".. is all I was pointing out..and that your average end user ..the majority in this case men ..arent as HIGH risk of eventually DESIRING or having the impulse to RAPE let alone do it..Thats all I was saying ..IN NO WAY shape or form am I denying the brutality of how many I dare say most of the sex workers are treated and then the % of men that DO go deep into and it  how horribly it can affect their personal lives ..Im completely aware of..So just to clarify my postion on that....

Dallas