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One thing I've always wondered: if they think this stuff is natural, why do they work so hard to codify it? If it is really natural, won't it occur whether you tell people to do it that way or not?
So Diamondnell, is the "Wisdom" approach more what you believe in?
I think it's true re: group versus individual. I part company with those people right there. I guess I may be a little far out, but I don't really believe in groups. I think they are largely abstractions, unrealities. As my husband says (ha!) a group doesn't have a soul, so a group can't love. I realize there's a lot of group stuff in the OT. I see it like the patriarchal stuff in the OT--as context, as God speaking to these people in the only language they knew.
I think that remembering the Holy Spirit might be helpful in thinking about how to talk about trusting human judgment. I don't remember where it is, but somewhere in Acts some church leaders say about a specific decision, "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to do such-and-such." That sounds to me like it is describing a process in which the Holy Spirit and human judgment interacted and agreed, a process of decision-making which used human reason/intuition and which also carried a sense of God's calling & approval for the decision.
I think this suggests that "the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked" is only one side of the story--a meditation on an aspect of reality, rather than a blanket statement meant for all situations.
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