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« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2010, 02:12:13 PM »

I read the quote to my wife and she and I had a good laugh, but also concern about any who might accept it as gospel.
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2010, 05:50:09 PM »

I acted the role of the doormat during the early years of my marriage. Thought I was doing what God wanted based on all the indoctrination I had received. Following all of that legalism and yes, husband idolatry, led to terrible fruit in my life. Looking back, I don't know how I didn't see that it was idolatry. I had been counseled to have a Genesis 3:16 type of marriage. Rather than my joy coming from the Lord, I became obsessed with trying to please my husband and to get my joy from him.

Debbie Pearl's book and others like it (along with so many sermons) make me Cry  Cry Cry  They are so destructive.

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2010, 09:54:35 AM »

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This type of teaching is becoming more and more prevalent among Christians.  I can't imagine why except to guess it must be a pendulum swing to counter feminism.  This really grieves me. 
Not only that, it will make any unbeliever see it and decide "Christianity is not for me."
Not only that, but it may also cause them to blaspheme God, which I can see coming.

On another blog, someone essentially said  ' Just because it says 'written by Christian' doesn't mean that what's inside that book is Biblical. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2010, 01:18:38 PM »

On another blog, someone essentially said  ' Just because it says 'written by Christian' doesn't mean that what's inside that book is Biblical. 

Amen to that. We need to remember to weigh everything against Scripture, even when it comes with the "Official" stamp.
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2010, 11:25:39 AM »

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The very first command God gave to a woman was, “Thy desire shall be unto thy husband and he shall rule over thee (Gen. 3:16).” Is your desire toward your husband? Do you desire him as a man?  Do you live to please him? Does he rule over you? This is God’s will.

Is this a command? I thought it was a prophecy of how things would be after the fall. It's a pretty big stretch to say that the results of sin are God's will.
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2010, 12:00:18 PM »

The very first command God gave to a woman was, “Thy desire shall be unto thy husband and he shall rule over thee (Gen. 3:16).” Is your desire toward your husband? Do you desire him as a man?  Do you live to please him? Does he rule over you? This is God’s will.[/i]

Oh, really? That's a "command"?

And as for it being "The very first command God gave to a woman":

What about "Be fruitful and multiply and have dominion, etc." two chapters earlier?

Or when God (also earlier) told them not to eat of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden?
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2010, 12:43:55 PM »

It is not a command.  God is not talking to the man to tell him to rule over the woman.  God is talking to the woman telling her what she will be doing (not that she must do it) and warning her what the response from her husband is going to be.
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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2010, 01:45:01 PM »

It is not a command.  God is not talking to the man to tell him to rule over the woman.  God is talking to the woman telling her what she will be doing (not that she must do it) and warning her what the response from her husband is going to be.

You know how they say, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail"?

Well, if you are caught in and held firmly by and hold firmly to the masculinist/patriarchal paradigm and regard that as the overriding way to understand women vis-a-vis men in the Scriptures, then that's the lens through which you view and read and understand the Scriptures. Every "word" to a woman in relation to a man is viewed as a "command" for the woman to obey or a "role" for her to fill in subservience to or in support of the man.
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2010, 02:53:29 PM »

quite true.   Undecided
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impulses; he can rationalize his behavior. He arranges
his wishes into a scale, he chooses; in short, he acts.
What distinguishes man from beasts is precisely that he
adjusts his behavior deliberately."
Ludwig von Mises
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