« Last post by Deborah on October 19, 2014, 09:18:49 AM »
I'm enjoying your stories and your spirit and your questions, Rose.
I just wanted to quickly chime in with a link. You may recall a news story this summer about the pope meeting with other Christian leaders to discuss their common ground on the nature and work of salvation (I love that this happened). Here are two pentecostal leaders sharing what that was like, and on the screen, you can see an excerpt of his book on the subject of evangelism:
« Last post by Don on October 18, 2014, 11:45:57 AM »
One other point, "headship" is not a word found in the Bible and using it can mean that one is already half way to seeing it meaning "leader". Rather the term is kephale/head as a metaphor. So in some sense you should unask the question, it is not headship in Eph 5 (esp. not the husband's headship), it is the husband is like a head as a metaphor and seeking what it means.
« Last post by Rose on October 18, 2014, 07:47:31 AM »
TL, the present pope makes me hopefull for more of Christ in the RC church. Jesus (I strongly suspect) doesn't ask for denominations, age of baptism and amount of water involved, gender, and other theological stuff, when at the end of our lives we join Him. But that doesn't mean that sound theology doesn't matter... It makes following Him easier if you understand His character better, and that involves reading and studying the Bible to the best of our abilities. False teaching may hurt others and oneself, even if it's not a major issue.
« Last post by Rose on October 17, 2014, 10:44:05 AM »
"So Dutch Reformed is more of a team work style. Is that what you are saying. And may I ask what kind of decisions they make together. What kind of topics do they vote together on."
I remember when I was about 10 (?) years old, there were discussions about women being allowed to be deacons or not. The Dutch Reformed said the Bible couldn't be interpreted as forbidding that explicitly and that it wasn't in line with the NT to forbid it, so each individual congregation should decide for itself. As from 2005 female elders and pastors are allowed. (BTW, they are not the only reformed church allowing female leadership, but I also remember the synod of the christian reformed church (150 male members) voting against any form of female leadership. That must have been when I was about 16 years old... I remember being really mad about that. I'm noT sure what their position on that is now.)
That aside, I have begun to notice how the subject of female leaderhip is about as taboo as it gets in our church at the moment, even if we allow women to preach, and there's no official position on the subject. We have no female elders, deacons or pastors, women don't lead services (but can lead worship). It's just not to be discussed, somehow. So I'll be the last to judge the reformed churches - at least they are studying&discussing the subject.
Sorry about that, that wasn't answering the question, but it's frustrating sometimes. If you want to talk about it as a woman, your motives are called into question immediately - especially if you study theology...
But to get back to the question: that kind of theological choices are discussed on a nationwide forum, and they decide what general outline applies to individual congregations, who can then decide for themselves within the given boundaries. Other topics were decisions on local "mergers" between denominations, churches changing from some other denomination to CR, financial stuff etc. Again - not an expert, I haven't been a member of any reformed church from when I was 18.
« Last post by TL on October 17, 2014, 07:32:38 AM »
Amen to that, Don.
In Hawaii in the 60-80's there was a very domineering, abusive and sexist pastor who was quite successful. However, he caused harm to close to 50% of the new believers under his care. Most of the damaged were women. And a pretty accurate estimate is that 50% of marriages from his ministries are now divorced. There were even a couple prophesies from another island that spoke to the domineering, heavy handed leadership of this man. I remember reading one of them, and was amazed at the accuracy. The denomination that owned the building he held church in, a pretty old stone church, removed him from ministry. He's never come back into ministry, thank God. But he has changed some for the better. He is not quite as sexist and domineering as he was in the days of pastoring.