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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by Don on Today at 02:02:41 PM »

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2013/05/24/cjm-tg4g-tgc-and-boz-tchividjian/

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by Dan on Today at 02:00:49 PM »

There is an alternate reality in some of these places where right becomes wrong and wrong becomes right. The people who seem the most spiritual and righteous can be the most carnal and sinful. And the greater your status in the group, the more likely you are to uphold the perverted sense of morality there. This stuff is a sociologist's dream.

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by joannamarieart on Today at 01:55:08 PM »

I'll quickly quote from The Wartburg Watch, just so those unfamiliar with the case get a better idea:

“Why is no mention made that the heart of this lawsuit is about a systematic church effort to discourage and eventually prevent the families of children who were allegedly (and repeatedly) sexually victimized by church officials from speaking out and reporting to law enforcement. This lawsuit is less about the abuse and more about an institution that took steps to protect itself and it’s reputation over the victimized souls (and bodies) of little ones.

This is not just that molesters went to church and abused children, it is that pastors allegedly systematically chose the side of those molesters, protecting them instead of the children.

Yes, as well as putting the molesters in positions that allowed them access to children on a regular basis, alone or in groups.

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by HadassahSukkot on Today at 01:25:09 PM »

^yep. Watching this on twitter and discussing on another forum.

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by Retha on Today at 07:58:22 AM »

I'll quickly quote from The Wartburg Watch, just so those unfamiliar with the case get a better idea:

“Why is no mention made that the heart of this lawsuit is about a systematic church effort to discourage and eventually prevent the families of children who were allegedly (and repeatedly) sexually victimized by church officials from speaking out and reporting to law enforcement. This lawsuit is less about the abuse and more about an institution that took steps to protect itself and it’s reputation over the victimized souls (and bodies) of little ones.

This is not just that molesters went to church and abused children, it is that pastors allegedly systematically chose the side of those molesters, protecting them instead of the children.

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by joannamarieart on Today at 07:00:21 AM »

That is how I understand it, Retha. I believe two of the plaintiffs are going to continue with the lawsuit, but they have to do it from Virginia.

Agreed, Dan. The treatment of this whole thing by a great amount of the Christian community is deplorable. If these men were truly innocent, wouldn't they welcome an investigation to prove that? Only guilty people try to shush and stamp out anyone who tries to expose their sins. Besides the fact that sexual abuse allegations are almost NEVER made up. Why in the world would someone come forward to claim they were sexually abused if it didn't happen, especially among the Christian community where they know they will be crucified? There are too many coming forward on this issue to simply sweep it under the rug (not to mention places like SGM Survivors.com where tens if not hundreds of people have stated they were abused to some extent and a great majority were sexually abused).

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by Dan on Today at 06:29:18 AM »

I am sinner, too, saved by grace. But the church is not a safe haven for practicing criminals and still-dangerous people. I have been following this scandal on Wartburg Watch. My feeling is that the case will alert some people to the culture of abuse that exists in some fellowships. These churches have set themselves up to have no inner or outer accountability, which, in my opinion, is itself an abusive move. Their system of discipline protects abusive people in an unsafe way. We need to keep watch over one another. It is the responsibility of the wider Church to expose verbal, emotional, and sexual abuse for what it is.

Ephesians 5:11::  "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."

I pray for these people. They need help. But I am starting to feel the need to distance myself from them, not just physically, but also theologically. 

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Ministry Reviews / Re: SGM Scandal - Statement from Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan and Al Mohler

« Last post by Retha on Today at 06:08:43 AM »

Do I understand right:
It is the civil lawsuit that was sort of thrown out.
The criminal lawsuit is on-going.
The civil lawsuit is not totally gone either, as two of the plaintiffs could file again, but in another region.

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Blog Recommendations / Re: What's new on your blog?

« Last post by Retha on Today at 05:57:01 AM »

http://biblicalpersonhood.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/jesus-fighter-for-womens-rights/

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Biblical Equality Discussion / Re: Letters written to and by Christian women in the middles ages.

« Last post by joannamarieart on Today at 04:53:22 AM »

Wow, that is really neat! Thanks for sharing it!